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What is this obsession of the Brits with Strasbourg about? Seriously. Especially as you suggest to continue to use more than one site.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 07:13:16 AM EST
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I wasn't aware of a general obsession.

However, whilst I would prefer a single location on grounds of cost and efficiency, I rather imagine that the co-sited HQ is rather traditional now.

Then, if we agree that, in the modern EU, the Brussels/Strasburg axis is too far to the west, then one or the other should be sacrificed for a more eastern location. Brussels has a lot going for it, but it's a crowded and expensive town with little room for expansion. Strasburg is actually better in these aspects, but is hamstrung by not being a transport hub in the way that Brussels is. So, and it is reluctantly, Brussels gets my nod for the western arm.

But, y'know, if you think I'm just trashing your hometown out of anti-French spite, there's little I can do to persuade you otherwise.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 07:25:06 AM EST
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but that of the British media, which come on this story over and over and over and over and over again. Any news about Strasbourg is an opportunity to bitch about the Parliament and more genrally about "wasteful" Europe, etc...

But I do note that you pile on on the topic almost each time it's posted in  a Salon. I know you're trying to bring a note of rationality to what is just stupid blather by the media, but the effect is to reinforce the notion that it is actually a topic with merit.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 07:32:40 AM EST
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Again : I had not noticed the tendency in the British media. I am not masochistic enough to keep banging my head on the brick wall that is the FT, the Murdoch or Daily Mail media empires, so remain oblivious of these obsessions.

However, your pardoning is undermined when you note that I "pile on the topic..". Maybe that has a different connotation for you, but I understand it to mean that I press an unfair advantage to give an undeserved kicking. Not quite the same as introducing the "note of sanity", is it ? So you do feel I am demonstrating anti-French bias.

As I said, there's nothing I can do about that, but it's disappointing to say the least.

Would you prefer that I say that the Brussels/Strasburg axis makes excellent sense, that what was true in the 70s remains true now ? When it is so blatantly untrue and the situation is absurd ?

But I can see your so sensitized to the subject that we are unable to discuss it reasonably here, so I'll withdraw.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 08:09:47 AM EST
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It's anti-Europe.

The French barely bother to defend Strasbourg's role, in general. It's the Germans who are the most attached to Strasbourg.

The constant harping on this topic (like the same harping on a caricatured version of expenses) is just anti-European (waste, bureaucracy, corruption, bla, bla, bla). I don't know that it is anti-French, although it might be that too.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 09:08:25 AM EST
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This whole "one site" issue is a huge red herring, on both sides.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 09:09:36 AM EST
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There is a general obsession with the "circus". In fact it's one of the issues the Liberals all over Europe (ans particularly Dutch and British ones) have latched on to in order to demonstrate to the voters that they're not uncritically pro-EU. <sigh>

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 07:36:24 AM EST
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Come on. There is no reason to have the parliament moving back and forth. In fact it makes no sense what so ever. It's the poster child of the "wasteful EU bureacracy".

Put it in Bruxelles and be done with it. This would make the EU more popular, especially in the Netherlands, UK and Nordic nations.

The real estate in Strasbourg could be used to create an European elite technical university, as is often proposed.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 08:09:58 AM EST
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As this has been coded into the treaties, only the Council can change it. The European Parliament mostly agrees two sites is a waste.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 08:13:14 AM EST
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The parliament could break the treaty rules and see what happens.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 08:36:06 AM EST
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But on the other hand, wouldn't it be even costlier if the locations were farther apart?

Anyway, I'd like to throw in the city of Mariehamn into contention as the home of the EU parliament.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde

by NordicStorm on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 07:55:18 AM EST
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The distance travelled is the least of the cost. There are high speed rail links to vienna, just as there are to Strasburg, and the extra 3 hours is neither here nor there.

Plus, of course, until recently they travelled by plane where the main waste of time was probably spent hanging around in the terminal shopping on expenses.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 08:12:28 AM EST
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The truck caravan with all the papers is a PR disaster on wheels.

It doesn't really matter if it exists in the real world or not (does it exist?), as long as it exists in the minds of the public.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 09:12:29 AM EST
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She suggests having the EU institutions divided among more than one city, not having the Parliament have more than one site. The reason this won't work is that the Parliament is in Brussels by its own choice:
The [Espace Léopold] complex is not the official seat of Parliament, which is the Immeuble Louise Weiss in Strasbourg, France, but as most of the other institutions of the European Union are in Brussels, Parliament built the Brussels complex in order to be closer to their activities. A majority of the Parliament's work is now geared to its Brussels site, but it is legally bound to keep Strasbourg as its official home.
As to why the official seat of parliament is not in Brussels,
The city of Strasbourg (France) is the official seat of the European Parliament. The institution is legally bound to meet there twelve sessions a year lasting about four days each, other work takes place in Brussels and Luxembourg city (see Location of European Union institutions for more information).[5][6]


A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 at 11:03:39 AM EST
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