European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch - 23. July

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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:12:10 PM EST

Serbia To Extradite War Crimes Suspect Karadzic to The Hague | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 22.07.2008
A Serbian judge decided Tuesday to hand over arrested former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic to the international war crimes tribunal in The Hague, news reports said.

Belgrade judge Milan Dilparic's ruling came after he questioned Karadzic on Monday night, the Tanjug state news agency reported. Karadzic's lawyer, Svetozar Vujacic, said he would appeal, Tanjug said. He has three days to file an appeal.

 

Serbian authorities announced late Monday they had arrested Karadzic, 63, after 12 years in hiding. The independent Beta news agency reported that Karadzic was arrested in Serbia, ending more than a decade in hiding.

 

The UN war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia indicted Karadzic in 1995 on charges of genocide, crimes against humanity and breach of the Geneva Convention for his alleged role in leading the brutal ethnic cleansing of non-Serbs during Bosnia's 1992-95 ethnic war.


by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:15:45 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Europe | Karadzic 'worked in Serb clinic'

Captured Bosnian Serb war crimes suspect Radovan Karadzic was practising alternative medicine and living in Serbia's capital, Belgrade.

He was working in a private practice in a "very convincing disguise", sporting a long white beard, and calling himself Dragan Dabic, a Serbian official said.

He was arrested on Monday near Belgrade after more than a decade on the run.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:16:07 PM EST
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Former Bosnian Serb Leader Captured: Bosnian Muslims Celebrate Karadzic's Arrest - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

The arrest of former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic, the man accused of orchestrating Europe's worst massacre since World War II, has unleashed an outburst of joy in the Bosnian capital of Sarajevo. In Belgrade, police have amassed in front of the court building where Karadzic is being held.

 Bosnian Serb wartime leader Radovan Karadzic (R) and his general Ratko Mladic are seen on Mountain Vlasic in this April 1995 file photo. He was on the run for a decade, but now Radovan Karadzic, 63, the former president of the Bosnian Serbs who is accused of war crimes including the massacre of 8,000 Muslims in Srebenica, has been caught.

The arrest took place on Monday evening and was "an operation of the Serbian security services," said the office of Serbian President Boris Tadic.

However, Sveta Vujacic, Karadzic's lawyer, had a different version of events. He said Karadzic had been arrested on a public bus around 9:30 a.m. on Friday and held until he was brought to the court Monday.

"He just said that these people showed him a police badge and then he was taken to some place and kept in the room. And that is absolutely against the law what they did," Vujacic told AP Television News. "The judge also said that he will look into this matter, who and why kept him for three days."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:19:07 PM EST
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that he was arrested by Serbian forces.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 04:34:31 PM EST
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I would say more: it has been delivered by the Serbs.

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.
by PerCLupi on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 04:00:03 AM EST
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Wanted fugitive Radovan Karadzic developed alter ego as New Age doctor - Times Online

Radovan Karadzic, the former Bosnian Serb leader who is facing war crimes charges, evaded capture for a decade by disguising himself in a huge white beard and becoming a celebrated New Age doctor in Belgrade, it has emerged.

Until he was tracked down and arrested by Serbian special forces last night, Dr Karadzic was working as an alternative medicine specialist in a clinic in the suburb of New Belgrade using the false name of Dr Dragan Dabic.

Far from hiding in remote areas like other fugitives such as Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, Dr Karadzic appears to have established himself in the heart of the Serbian capital, and embraced his double life to such an extent that his alias had become a household name in a field where he was said to have accumulated "vast" knowledge.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:22:15 PM EST
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Fugitive Karadzic 'wrote magazine column' - CNN.com

BELGRADE, Serbia (CNN) -- Bosnian Serb war crimes fugitive Radovan Karadzic was so convinced of his disguise he regularly contributed to a health magazine as he brazenly built up his profile as an alternative medical practitioner, The Associated Press reported Tuesday.

A photo released by 'Healthy Life' magazine purported to be Karadzic. 1 of 3

As Serbian authorities announced the arrest of Karadzic, 63, on charges of war crimes committed during the brutal Balkans conflict, details of his life during more than a decade on the run were revealed.

Goran Kojic, editor in chief of Serbia's "Healthy Magazine" released new images of the former leader hidden behind an enormous white beard, long hair and spectacles, identifying one of the world's most wanted men as a regular contributor.

"It never even occurred to me that this man with a long white beard and hair was Karadzic," a shocked Kojic said, according to The Associated Press.

Serb authorities said Karadzic -- accused of ordering the deadly siege of Sarajevo and some of the worst atrocities in Europe since World War II including the 1995 massacre of 8,000 Muslims in Srebrenica -- was working at a medical practice in Belgrade prior to his arrest.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:24:30 PM EST
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German Foreign Minister: Europe Needs Lisbon Treaty | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 22.07.2008
The Irish rejection of the Lisbon Treaty has sent shockwaves across the EU. But the treaty is still no lost cause, says German Foreign Minister Steinmeier in an exclusive essay for DW-WORLD.DE.

Frank-Walter Steinmeier is German foreign minister and vice chancellor. He is also deputy chairman of the Social Democratic Party.

 

Whither Europe? We are asking that same question yet again. One year ago, we were all relieved because the EU appeared to have survived its crisis. While it had parted ways with its constitution, it was still committed to plans for a reform treaty. Months later, this had evolved into the Lisbon Treaty.

 

And today? The treaty has been ratified 23 times. But it was vetoed once, on June 12, in the Irish referendum. The looks of consternation on the faces of the European foreign ministers who met up in Brussels a few days later are still a vivid memory to me.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:16:27 PM EST
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A referendum can not be repeated because the result is not the desired one. Nor does it ensure the desired response. Some procedural changes and perhaps some contents should be introduced to give "democratic way" to a new referendum. Or the referendum should be eliminated as a procedure. Or that those countries that reject something within certain limits, work with the above rules or something similar. I think that  say what Sarkozy has said about Ireland is not acceptable, although he is currently presiding the European Union.

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.
by PerCLupi on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 04:13:00 AM EST
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The leaders need to engage with the electorate a little more. As TBG said at the time, they never sold the treaty and allowed the nay sayers a clear field to whip up hysteria. they also gave them plenty of ammunition to use against the treaty. At no point was it ever spelt out in clear terms, a catastrophic mistake of communication that demonstrates how utterly unsuited to democratic discourse our elites have become.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 05:14:51 AM EST
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They think they're entitled to the consent of the governed, so they don't even try to campaign for the treaty.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 06:13:18 AM EST
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a catastrophic mistake of communication that demonstrates how utterly unsuited to democratic discourse our elites have become.

So how do they get reelected? And why do they manage to oh-so-conveniently make it sound like the "no" votes are a rejection of European bureaucracy and regulation and not of the arrogant neolib policies that they (the elites, not the European bureaucracy) run?

You're just playing in their hands.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 08:17:21 AM EST
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Point me to one national election where EU issues played a role in the campaign or swung voters.

They get elected on domestic issues, and the EU is still "foreign affairs".

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 08:52:13 AM EST
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What has this got to do with anything?

These people are obviously not incompetent at communicating with the public when it suits them; so the explanation that they are incompetent about Europe does not quite work, from my point of view. Which means it's something else.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 09:16:45 AM EST
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So if it's not incompetence, is it malice?

Because communicating effectively about Europe, they are not.

Even Wallström, whose job it is.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 09:24:14 AM EST
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There is no European political arena, at least that most people perceive. We've said this often enough before. In this context, European communication (whether EU institutional or member-state political) has no grip on people's minds. It's at best well-meaning babble that is easily countered within the culture-media-space of each national identity.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 09:45:33 AM EST
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And traction will only be achieved when the EU apparatus is able to communicate complex concepts in language and images that every voter can understand and be motivated by.

The most important part of all marketing communications is to convey the benefits of the product/service as they would apply to an individual potential 'buyer'.

Most media stories about the EU are negatives, not benefits. It is not really the media to blame - their dogged pursuit of bad news was and is to be expected. But there are lots of benefits accruing from European unification. The failure of the Communication commissioner to tell the story of these benefits to a general audience is scandalous. It is largely caused by a lack of imagination and an amateur understanding of what communication is.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 10:17:32 AM EST
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The treaty at hand is mostly about greasing the wheels of the existing institutions - it benefits mostly the institutions themselves, starting with the Council.

When they try to come up with "tangible" "benefits" for citizens they usually turn out rather daft.

And this is probably by design, too. With the emphasis on subsidiarity and proportionality (everything should be done at the closest level to the citizen that is both practical and effective) most of what impacts the average citizen is done at the local or national level.

And I am not sure that's a bad thing, either: I'm a Spanish Federalist, not a French Centralist.

Can I ask again for a Swiss case-study diary? (Confederacy, local sovereignty, direct democracy)

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 10:22:09 AM EST
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And that is the communication challenge.

Local benefits are disconnected from the supranational institutions and systems, but local negatives are blamed by national institutions on the supranational, because it is easy, gets them off the hook, and 'who is going to check anyway?'

There are massive benefits realised by the redistribution of EU funding to underdeveloped regions or areas undergoing industrial transition. There are huge benefits in EU wide standardization and consumer protection. There are also large mistakes made (biofuels, paper reuse etc etc) but  no worse than the mistakes that national government regularly make.

The greatest benefit of the EU IMO is the sharing of diversity, of finding out there are many solutions. The existence of a better way of doing things in one country, can be a benefit to all countries.

That is what ET does on a minor scale - the sharing of diversity in solutions and the origination of imaginative solutions. If only ET could be scaled up!

But that would not solve the communication problem. We also share in  a style of language and presentation that does not appeal widely. ET is not consumer-ready, and perhaps should never be. But, as we have often discussed, the concepts and presentations developed here do need to reach audiences outside ET. And there are many audiences, each requiring a different type of communication style and content.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:06:41 AM EST
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We also share in  a style of language and presentation that does not appeal widely. ET is not consumer-ready, and perhaps should never be.

It would indeed be strange and no doubt frustrating if we were to speak to each other here in soundbites and ad slogans. Do you think a discussion forum of any interest is also going to have wide appeal?

This is not in defence of an exclusive, elitist yadda yadda watering-hole for intellectuals. Just that it's not the job of a community discussion blog to handle direct mainstream communication. That's a whole other job on its own.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:37:23 AM EST
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But I also see no reason not to discuss what you call 'soundbites and ad slogans' - as we do. By analyzing them we can understand why needed change DOES NOT happen in a one-person-one-vote democratic society.

There's the message, the messenger and the passenger. All  3 need to be discussed and correlated imo. But as I said, there are no clear reasons why ET has to be consumer-ready.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:19:46 PM EST
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Incidentally, reducing an explanation of marketing communications to soundbites and slogans is a bit like saying the Tour de France is about tight pants and yellow jerseys ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:27:55 AM EST
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If that's the only problem, it's solvable by putting in imaginative professionals.

Who might (easily) do better than the lot we've got, but would still be up against the compartmentalisation of national/language media, and the sense that real political life that matters is in one's home country (just look at the eagerness <snark> of the pols to be MEPs compared to something in public view in their own country).

I don't see marketing/communication as alone capable of turning this situation round. We need institutional change to create a pan-European political space that then can be effectively marketed as the place where things are happening.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:10:27 AM EST
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We need institutional change to create a pan-European political space.

Agreed. But we, voters, can say something to eligibles in each election. One school of, say, "Pan-European Citizens" could intervene in pre-electoral moments to try that politicians may think that Europe can give them votes. And also remind voters that Europe exists and is our overall framework.

The lack of politicians on Europe is based on their own interests as politicians.

I think (already in the Spanish referendum, and now in the Irish one) that the left-wind (?), which supported the NO, however, it did not inform citizens.

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.

by PerCLupi on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 03:58:43 PM EST
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or piebags!

they're pretty clueless with the web, though watching euronews, sometimes i see a form of reaching out, listing phone numbers to call to know one's rights on this or that, or for general info.

i know, i know, so last century...

get sven doing a presentation in webready multimedia, sponsor concerts with info desks, announce and inform us of why it's so great to be an EU member. young people need more than 'it's to stop another continental war', as reason not to ignore the EU. young people are also predisposed to like the EU as it offers many advantages in freedom of travel and study their parents did not enjoy, so it's a good time to explain things to them, i think.

if leaders think no-one cares, then they will retreat to aloofness and poor communication, we can (must, should try to affect that dynamic by whining letting them know what we need, preferably more proactively than waiting for an important -and massively misunderstood - treaty vote.

there are many here showing the way forward on this, ET is a drop in a media vacuum, but this has to keep growing....the tech is here for real 'interlogue'TM now, there should be no excuses, either for passivity, or mere top-down pronouncements...

meanwhile piebag's blog pretty well exemplifies what's wrong with leaders' lack of understanding or intelligent use of the new interactive political medium, that should offer so much better and more immediate feedback.

 token at best, condescending, disconnected and unhearing at worst.

hi andreas!

"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 10:23:51 AM EST
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So if it's not incompetence, is it malice?

my concern too...

more transparency, more humility, (ask us over and over what we need, you're s'posed to be working for us), and solid, truthful, understandable (for-dummies) rebuttals of NO talking points.

and why not adopt the american model constitution? tweak it a bit, but don't make a retro move with an important document that's ponderous, bloated and rodded with legalese, please. tip our hat to it, it's a political work of art, why can't we update it and take it from there, its values translate globally, that's what makes it such a gem.

get it while it's hot, or before it disappears down a memory hole!

google cache it!

KISS

"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 10:39:30 AM EST
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Sarkozy presides the Council, and has been conspiring with the likes of Blair to try to elevate the President of the Council to a sort of President of Europe in the people's mind (and they have been successful with the press, by and large).

A "transition to EU democracy" passed through the Council agreeing a treaty among the member states that takes power away from the Council and the States. Not going to happen.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 06:12:38 AM EST
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Ukraine gets green light for EU 'association' pact - EUobserver

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has backed French proposals for the EU to sign an "association" pact with Ukraine in September, amid uncertainty over what the move could mean for Ukraine's EU membership aspirations.

"This agreement will not only mean a strengthened partnership. It can also qualify as an associate member agreement," the chancellor said after meeting Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko on a brief visit to Kiev on Monday (21 July).

Kiev is keen to get on the EU membership path

Her comment came one day before EU foreign ministers come together in Brussels on Tuesday to rubber-stamp plans for the EU-Ukraine summit in Evian, France on 9 September, where the two sides aim to sign the political chapter of a new bilateral deal.

The title "association agreement" - recalling the "association" treaties signed with former eastern bloc countries before the 2004 EU enlargement - would be a diplomatic victory for Kiev, which has pushed for an EU membership perspective since it broke away from the Russian sphere of influence in the 2004 Orange Revolution.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:17:07 PM EST
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Sarkozy suggests Irish revote in June 2009 - EUobserver

French President Nicholas Sarkozy has proposed to the Irish prime minister that a second referendum on the Lisbon Treaty be held on the same day as elections to the European Parliament next June.

Mr Sarkozy made the suggestion during a private discussion with Prime Minister, or Taoiseach, Brian Cowen, according to reports in the Irish Times, during a six-hour whistle-stop trip to Dublin to meet with government leaders and campaigners from both sides of the treaty battle.

Mr Sarkozy spent three minutes with each campaigner.

At the same time, publicly, the French president denied that he had said Ireland must vote again.

"I never said that Ireland had to organise a new referendum. I said that at some stage or another the Irish had to be given the opportunity to give their opinion."

Last week, he told a private session with deputies from his UMP party in Paris that Ireland would have to hold a second referendum, according to an attendee of the meeting.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:17:48 PM EST
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He doesn't get it does he ? This treaty, and its lookalike predecessor, have been rejected by the electorate on every occasion they have been tested.

At what point will the elites stop arrogantly thinnking they can force it down our throats and engage with the electorate over the future of  europe ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 05:17:56 AM EST
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"This treaty, and its lookalike predecessor, have been rejected by the electorate on every occasion they have been tested."

This is a "No" talking point that is - surprise ... False:

History of the Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe

Spanish voters were the first to go to the polls in a referendum on ratification on 20 February 2005. Both the government and the main opposition party campaigned for a 'yes' vote. The Constitution was passed by a large margin, with 77 per cent of voters in favour, but major opposition parties declared that the 42 per cent turnout was an embarrassment for the governing Spanish Socialist Workers' Party.

In the wake of the French and Dutch rejections, Luxembourg pressed ahead with its scheduled consultative referendum 10 July 2005. Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker stated that he would resign in the event of a rejection. The result was 56% in favour with a high turnout of 88%.

We should not be helping to spread it.

by det on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 06:10:22 AM EST
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Apologies for the slightly wonky link .
by det on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 06:14:39 AM EST
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The 2005 referendums passed in Spain and Luxembourg.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 06:23:01 AM EST
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The picture that shames Italy - Europe, World - The Independent

It's another balmy weekend on the beach in Naples. By the rocks, a couple soak up the southern Italian sun. A few metres away, their feet poking from under beach towels that cover their faces and bodies, lie two drowned Roma children.

The girls, Cristina, aged 16, and Violetta, 14, were buried last night as the fallout from the circumstances of their death reverberated throughout Italy.

It is an image that has crystallised the mounting disquiet in the country over the treatment of Roma, coming after camps have been burnt and the government has embarked on a bid to fingerprint every member of the minority. Two young Roma sisters had drowned at Torregaveta beach after taking a dip in treacherous waters. Their corpses were recovered from the sea - then left on the beach for hours while holidaymakers continued to sunbathe and picnic around them.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:19:46 PM EST
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Here is a video:

http://www.pupia.tv/notizie/0003563.html

Though videos of course are also be cropped and edited, it does a suggest a certain respectful distance from the bodies, and the presence of emergency personnel.

I wonder if this photograph may not be somewhat misleading as to the true situation on that beach.

... all progress depends on the unreasonable mensch.
(apologies to G.B. Shaw)

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 06:54:30 PM EST
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I think the case was overblown. Everything was done to save the children. Two were saved while two died. The scene on the beach was caused by the long delay in removing the bodies due to red tape at the morgue. That is the real scandal.

Scenes of indifference to corpses are common throughout the world, long before Midnight Cowboy. We certainly needn't accept it but it is perhaps too hasty to depict it as cynical racism aimed specifically at Rom.

Cardinal Sepe did thunder about the case. It is always good to stigmatize racism but this particular episode does not seem to fit the bill.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:51:18 AM EST
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i agree, what does the media expect? a spontaneous religious ritual?

everyone within sight to pack up their families and kit and get on a 40° train home?

wtf? sad reality, but the same would have happened if the girls had been from elsewhere. people don't feel educated or equipped to deal with a situation like that, it doesn't mean they're heartless. what would anyone here have done in that situation?

the media has to whip everything into a scandal, when it's undeserved, and conveniently glosses over, or worse, whitewashes things that are really bad.

objective focus on what's really happening to italy, not so much, it takes furriners i guess to report from the outside. no skin off their noses...

"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 10:04:25 AM EST
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Most of the Italian news that ends up in the English press is based on easy universal categories a person can relate to. Berlusconi is presented as an easy going "flambouyant" success story with some amiable legal hassles.

Real news needs to have its context explained- and most newspapers either do a bad job or simply don't bother.

In the past two days we've had the Tavaroli incrimination, 18 arrests in Reggio Calabria in which Micciché is implicated (who's Micciché?), the Del Turco arrest with all parties involved... How do you explain the Tavaroli case in less than 500 words?

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:23:11 AM EST
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How do you explain the Tavaroli case in less than 500 words?

heh, i can only handle so much RAI, i haven't a clue as to what that's about, unless beppe or you clue me in, clueless i remain.

the layers of baroque complexity in italian politics leave me stupefied.

still dealing with the 'davantologia', i'll leave the 'dietrologia' to you experts, the better to eventually decipher...

"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 07:37:12 PM EST
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The photo is clearly taken with a very long lens, which has the effect of compressing perspective, making the couple in the background look rather closer than they are. Same scene from the video:
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 02:41:14 AM EST
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Appeals court reverses ruling that a woman in tight jeans cannot be raped - Times Online

Italy's top appeals court has reversed its notorious ruling of nine years ago that a woman wearing tight jeans cannot by definition be raped or sexually molested since the removal of the garment requires her "collaboration and consent".

A 37-year-old man from Padua convicted in 2005 of sexually molesting his partner's teenage daughter by inserting his hands inside the front of her jeans had appealed to the Court of Cassation, citing its 1999 ruling and claiming that he could not have committed the alleged "libidinous act" because the girl's jeans were too tight.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:22:35 PM EST
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In Spain, some judgments of judges said that the applicants women had "incited sexually" to their perpetrators. Shit!

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.
by PerCLupi on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 04:28:08 AM EST
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Well, if they wear skirts they incite and if they wear jeans they can't be raped, according to judges. And not just in Southern Europe.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 06:26:53 AM EST
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I wish this were just italy. The whole world seems to have problems with ascribing guilt to sexually abusive males, a case of "there but for the grace of god go I" from an overwhelmingly male legal system.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 05:23:02 AM EST
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claiming that he could not have committed the alleged "libidinous act" because the girl's jeans were too tight.

And he knows they were too tight because he did try to insert the hand in them, right?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 06:25:33 AM EST
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For the interest of linguistic psycho-sociology:
In Spanish there is an expression (collected in the dictionary) meter mano (=put hands) as "touching someone with erotic intentions." I ask:

Is there a similar expression in other languages?

I had over a quarter a professor of Latin (of course, in University), which said that they paid him 500 PTA per month and he gave us classes for PTA per month. He said, on history and institutions:

¡Viva el Imperio Romano,
que a los siervos manumite
y a las siervas "mite manu"!

Long live for the Roman Empire,
which "manumites" to the slave-men
and he "mites manu" to the slave-women!

Latin manumittere = Spanish "manumitir" = "give freedom".

In Italy, like in Spain, the influence of the classical world is still present. The latin slave-women did not wear tight pants, but skirts.


When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.

by PerCLupi on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 08:12:54 AM EST
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France: French Socialist helps flagship reforms sneak in by one vote | World news | The Guardian

Nicolas Sarkozy narrowly avoided a critical political defeat last night when his flagship proposals to give the French constitution its biggest overhaul in half a century were passed by a margin of just one vote.

The president, who has made the reform of key institutions a priority of his premiership, scraped to victory as 539 politicians came out in support of the changes, while 357 voted against. He had needed a majority of three-fifths - or 538 votes - for the reform to go through.

As the result of the highly controversial ballot was read out, a collective murmur of surprise echoed around the chamber at Versailles, scene of the special session of France's MPs and senators.

It had been unclear right up until the last moments which way the vote would go. For days the Elysée Palace has been rallying recalcitrant Gaullist members of Sarkozy's majority UMP party and urging those undecided to back the reforms.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:23:50 PM EST
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Interesting that the headline refers to the last paragraph of the story.
The Elysée's unlikely saviour turned out to be Jack Lang, the former Socialist minister, who was the only member of his party to vote for the changes.


A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 06:17:50 AM EST
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And that both the headlines and the paragraph are false...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 06:23:43 AM EST
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LTE?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 06:36:14 AM EST
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I don't feel like a mathematics teacher... And also, there's no doubt Lang cast his vote knowing it could be the necessary one.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 07:46:33 AM EST
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The Berlusconi parliament passed the law this Tuesday evening granting immunity to the four highest offices of the Italian State. As of now Berlusconi is above and beyond the law. He may no longer be pursued for any crime he may wish to commit or has committed.

Debate in the Senate ammounted to a total of three days.

It is likely that the law will be eventually judged anti-constitutional but it will already have absolved its scope of blocking all current trials and investigations into Berlusconi's fervid, reiterative and questionable activities. The David Mill's trial will be blocked as soon as the law is published in the official gazzette.

No other democracy has a law of such sweeping immunity to prosecution. In fact only four states allow for presidential or royal immunity. But then in a nation where parliamentary sovereignty has been reduced to a gaggle of sycophants who were appointed rather than elected, the word "democracy" applies only in its authoritarian sense. We have a new Duce.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 04:47:07 PM EST
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A "master" does what he wants in his "domains".

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.
by PerCLupi on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 04:31:11 AM EST
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The problem is raised when there are another 55 million people in that "domain" who may not agree.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 07:19:44 AM EST
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you have "masters"? To avoid such pesky problems of getting 55M people to agree on something?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 08:12:27 AM EST
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It was a question of restyling in this case. At the time the gentleman in question had the treasury cops all over him for fraudulent bankruptcy and debts for billions. "Clean Hands" was closing in on him. So he siezed the opportunity to create a new party to fill a vacuum on the right, tactically on a "pro-clean-hands" platform. As soon as he was in power (1994) he did the opposite with the Bondi "Save Crooks" decree (fortunately it did not pass). He then began to develop his self-serving anti-judiciary propaganda campaign which is still going on- on all channels- 24 hours a day. In 1994 a large majority was in favor of the judiciary branch. The latest surveys have trust in the judiciary at 37%. Owning the media has its advantages.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:05:29 AM EST
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The "masters" use their servents for what interests to them and ignore them for the rest. If we want to be citizens and not servants, we must act.

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.
by PerCLupi on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 08:43:24 AM EST
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Solar power from Saharan sun could provide Europe's electricity, says EU | Environment | The Guardian
Solar power from Saharan sun could provide Europe's electricity, says EU

· Huge £35bn supergrid would pool green sources
· Brown and Sarkozy back north African plan

A concentrating solar power (CSP) plant in Spain that uses panels to refl ect light on to a central tower to produce electricity. Similar plants are proposed for north Africa. Photograph: AP

A tiny rectangle superimposed on the vast expanse of the Sahara captures the seductive appeal of the audacious plan to cut Europe's carbon emissions by harnessing the fierce power of the desert sun.

Dwarfed by any of the north African nations, it represents an area slightly smaller than Wales but scientists claimed yesterday it could one day generate enough solar energy to supply all of Europe with clean electricity.

Speaking at the Euroscience Open Forum in Barcelona, Arnulf Jaeger-Walden of the European commission's Institute for Energy, said it would require the capture of just 0.3% of the light falling on the Sahara and Middle East deserts to meet all of Europe's energy needs.



"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 11:50:05 PM EST
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What are they going to do about the inconvenient fact that electricity transmission is only really good for 1000 miles. Okay for southern europe, less good for the north.

Or will they take ideas from the stranded wind initiative in the US and use the electricity to create useful burnable chemicals ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 05:29:37 AM EST
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As I understand it, if you're prepared to invest, you can create DC transmission good for about 4000 miles or so. In the past, cheap oil has made that investment uneconomic, but I presume that calculation is changing.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 05:39:08 AM EST
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I presume that you can use solar power to drive a generator a thousand miles away, so you could relay it that way. Probably not terribly efficient, but it depends how much power you have handy.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 05:46:04 AM EST
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Synthetic hydrocarbons from Solar is a good idea. Another consideration is that if the South of Europe gets its electrical power from North Africa it doesn't need to import French nuclear-generated power which is freed to export North in larger quantities.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 06:20:11 AM EST
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With HVDC, the losses are quite small. There just hasn't been a need for very long connections until now, and thus no need for the specific infrastructure associated with very (very) high voltage.

But this makes sense.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 08:14:03 AM EST
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i thought stranded wind was into making ammonia for chem fertiliser.

which would probably be useful for something else as well.

what about glass? all that sand..

i know it's heavy, but plastic might get expensive. (as it should, until we figure out how not to pollute so much).

"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 09:57:24 AM EST
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Your Project News - Enel: in Sicily One of the First Off-Shore Wind Farms in the Mediterranean
Enel: in Sicily One of the First Off-Shore Wind Farms in the Mediterranean Tuesday, Jul 22, 2008

Rome, 10 July 2008 - Enel has deposited the project design for one of the first off-shore wind farms in the Mediterranean Sea. The request for an Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) has been delivered by Enel to the Ministry of the Environment and the Region of Sicily.

Italy's first off-shore wind facility will foresee the installation of 115 large generators with a capacity of between 3 and 5 megawatts each in the waters of the Gulf of Gela at least 3 nautical miles off-shore, between the towns of Licata (in the province of Agrigento), Butera and Gela (both in the province of Caltanissetta).

The project, developed through a joint venture between Enel (57%) and Moncada Costruzioni (43%), will have a total installed capacity of between 345 and 575 MW. The maximum cost of the investment will be about 500 million euros. Once fully operational, the plant will generate 1,150 million KWh of power, enough to meet the needs of 390,000 households, avoiding CO2 emissions of about 815,000 metric tons a year.



"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 11:51:04 PM EST
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I've read somewhere that there is a good deal of local opposition to the project.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 02:01:24 AM EST
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A MW costs EUR3M these days, so we're talking about EUR 1.5-2 billion in investment.

And this is a very early stage. This does not look like it would be built before 5 years or so at least.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 04:41:00 AM EST
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BBC NEWS | Health | Light therapy 'beats plaque bugs'
Light therapy 'beats plaque bugs'
Plaque can damage the teeth and gums

Scientists have developed a mouthwash that allows plaque-causing bacteria to be destroyed using nothing more than a bright light.

It works using the same principles as some skin cancer treatments.

Leeds Dental Institute say it may be available inside three years for home use - perhaps with the light attached to the head of a toothbrush.

The same team is also working on a "repair solution" to help the body grow new enamel.

They believe this could reduce the need for "drilling and filling".

In our experiments, we've been using standard white light - I've been using a conventional security light
Dr Simon Wood
Leeds Dental Institute

Both projects are being spearheaded by Professor Jennifer Kirkham, who believes they could make a big difference to dental care.

The mouthwash uses "photodynamic therapy", and Professor Kirkham sees it as a way to help people who find it hard to use a toothbrush.

Antibacterial molecules in the liquid are absorbed only by plaque-causing bacteria, and activated when a bright light is shone into the mouth, killing them.



"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 11:55:42 PM EST
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In a large group of towns of Soria (Castilla y León, Spain) has started today the "digital operation" of TV. The "analogue blackout" has occurred a few minutes ago.

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.
by PerCLupi on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 04:07:03 PM EST
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analogic

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.
by PerCLupi on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 04:08:53 PM EST
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WORLD
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:12:32 PM EST
What's a rational American foreign policy? - The Real News Network - Story
Aijaz Ahmad: The United States economy is stagnant and faces the possibility of a real Depression. Its currency has lost a quarter of its value on global markets in three years. No country in the entire history of humankind has ever owed as much money to foreigners as the US does today, and this debt rises by about a billion dollars a day. Its military expenditures are higher than those of the next twenty countries combined. It's time to question basic assumptions about US foreign policy.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:14:14 PM EST
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The geo-politics of oil - The Real News Network - Story
Transcript

PAUL JAY, SENIOR EDITOR: Welcome back to our interviews with Aijaz Ahmad, asking the question, what would a rational foreign policy for the United States look like? Aijaz, at the core of much of US foreign policy is the assumption that the United States needs its military prowess to defend its oil interests, whether it's directly the interests of oil companies, or whether it's a question of pipelines, or just sort of the geopolitical strategic objectives. What would a rational policy on oil be?

AIJAZ AHMAD, SENIOR NEWS ANALYST: Couple of things here, Paul. First of all, I think the oil question is the one area where it is very difficult to distinguish between domestic policy and foreign policy. Let's talk about the foreign policies side of it, and then I'll come to the domestic side. We should recognize that oil is no more important for the United States than it is for any other country, especially other industrialized countries or industrializing countries. In fact, the US has had many advantages that Japan or China don't have. So US actually speaks from a position of power and strength, including domestic production, and having resources of oil very close to its borders.

JAY: A rather safe supply from its northern neighbor, Canada, the number one supplier of oil.

AHMAD: That's right. That's right. That's right. And southern one in Mexico. So it has a position of strength, and its superiority in this area is not nearly as threatened as people pretend. That's one. Secondly, same thing applies here, that you have to think of a foreign policy that obtained these objectives peacefully. Just as China or Japan or India are obtaining their needs of hydrocarbons peacefully by going to any country and anywhere in the world that they can, through essentially market forces. That's what you need to do. You also have to recognize that those who produce oil and gas have one strategic interest only, which is to sell it. So it's not as if oil supplies and gas supplies are going to disappear if you don't police them. They'll be on the world market. Other countries have reconciled themselves to buy their oil and gas and whatnot. The United States should do the same.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:14:38 PM EST
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Surprise! ... Obama's people are Clinton's people - The Real News Network - Story
Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama recently introduced his Senior Working Group on National Security, including former Clinton advisers Anthony Lake, Warren Christopher and Madeleine Albright. Real News Network's Analyst Pepe Escobar explores Obama's true foreign policy colors in his commentary, explaining that this group of Clinton-related names tells a lot about Obama's view of the world.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:15:03 PM EST
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Not only foreign policy, also economic policy. Isn't he going to usher Clinton's Rubinomics back?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 06:30:21 AM EST
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My guess:  putting 'her' people on advisory boards was one of Clinton's demands for dropping her nominating campaign.  Obama has to give them office space and make them feel influential; he doesn't have to listen or take their advice.

Have epistemological model of Complex Information environments. Will Travel.
by ATinNM on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:09:52 AM EST
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US elections: John McCain and Barack Obama to speak at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church in California | World news | guardian.co.uk

Presidential rivals Barack Obama and John McCain will finish off the primary campaign season with a joint appearance at the California mega-church run by Rick Warren, best-selling author of The Purpose-Driven Life.

The forum at 22,000-member Saddleback Church shows that the two candidates are actively contesting the evangelical Christian vote, a segment that has in the past voted Republican.

Evangelicals have been cool to McCain's candidacy, opposing, for instance, his support for stem-cell research. Meanwhile, Obama has talked at length on the campaign trail about his faith, and has sought inroads among constituencies that Democrats have long neglected.

Saddleback, where the charismatic Warren preaches, is known as a member of the next generation of Christian leaders poised to take the helm of the evangelical movement from the likes of James Dobson of Focus on the Family and televangelist Pat Robertson.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:15:22 PM EST
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Mideast sees more of the same if Obama is elected - International Herald Tribune

AMMAN, Jordan: For what feels like forever, Israelis and their Arab neighbors have been hopelessly deadlocked on how to resolve the Palestinian crisis. But there is one point they may now agree on: if elected president, Senator Barack Obama will not fundamentally recalibrate America's relationship with Israel, or the Arab world.

From the religious center of Jerusalem to the rolling hills of Amman to the crowded streets of Cairo, dozens of interviews revealed a similar sentiment: the United States will ultimately support Israel over the Palestinians, no matter who the president is. That presumption promoted a degree of relief in Israel and resignation here in Jordan and in Israel's other Arab neighbors.

"What we know is American presidents all support Israel," said Muhammad Ibrahim, 23, a university student who works part time selling watermelons on the street in the southern part of this city. "It is hopeless. This one is like the other one. They are all the same. Nothing will change. Don't expect change."


by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:20:15 PM EST
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India's government survives vote of confidence | World news | guardian.co.uk

India's government today survived a knife-edge parliamentary vote of confidence, clearing the way for a landmark nuclear deal with the US that marks the end of its international isolation as a rogue nuclear weapons state.

The vote came after weeks of political horse-trading which saw allegations of MPs being offered million-pound bribes, others being assured of cabinet berths and claims that some MPs had been kidnapped.

Just hours before the vote opposition MPs brought 10m rupees into the parliament to highlight the corruption claims, which will now be investigated by the parliamentary authorities.

In the end the vote was won comfortably - with a majority of 19 - partly because MPs were brought in on hospital trolleys and others convicted for murder were released from prison to attend parliament. General elections can now take place next May, when the government's five-year term expires.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:23:02 PM EST
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Chávez arrives in Moscow for arms spending spree | World news | guardian.co.uk

The Venezuelan president, Hugo Chávez, today arrived in Moscow on his latest arms-buying spree, saying that his country needed to buy more weapons to defend itself from the United States.

Chávez met Russia's president Dmitry Medvedev this morning. He is expected to sign a billion-dollar arms deal with Russia for new missile defence systems and diesel-powered submarines.

"I have great hopes we will be able to continue building our strategic alliance," Chávez said after landing in Moscow for a two-day trip.

He added: "The deals will guarantee the sovereignty of Venezuela which is being threatened by the United States."

Chávez's latest visit to Moscow - his sixth - is likely to irritate Washington. It comes at a time when relations between Russia and the US are already under strain over a host of issues.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:23:28 PM EST
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RIA Novosti - Russia - Putin wants closer military ties with Venezuela

During the meeting, Putin accepted an invitation from Chavez to visit Venezuela.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev met with Chavez earlier in the day for talks focusing on arms and energy deals.

On arriving in Moscow, Chavez called for Russia and Venezuela to become strategic partners in oil and defense, something he said would "guarantee Venezuela's sovereignty, which is currently being threatened by the United States."

Venezuela has bought over 50 combat helicopters, 24 Su-30MK2 fighters, and 100,000 AK-103 rifles from Russia, and also holds a license for their production. The current contracts are worth about $4 billion.

Moscow plans to start supplying Venezuela with at least ten Mi-28N helicopters in the second half of 2009.

The two countries have also negotiated the delivery of three Russian Project 636 Kilo-class diesel submarines and at least 20 Tor-M1 air defense missile systems to Caracas. Contracts for these two deals, if signed, may be worth another $1 billion.



The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:39:00 PM EST
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I have news for chavez, if the USA decides to get wiggy about Venezuala, there will be no amount of weapons that will stop them.

course, having the support of russia is helpful, and it gives Gazprom an in to another strategic supplier, which seems to be russia's foreign policy priority right now. So we'll see.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 06:01:41 AM EST
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The US has been preventing Venezuela from renewing its military equipment - they went as far as blocking a sale of planes by Spain because there were American components on them.

So Chavez needs to shop elsewhere. Why is the US irritated?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 06:31:35 AM EST
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I'm not so sure. When was the last time the US attacked a country that was well armed?

The plural of anecdote is bullshit.
by generic on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:37:53 AM EST
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Or, that had even the faintest degree of popular support.
by Zwackus on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 08:00:46 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Business | Argentina renationalises airline

The Argentine government has renationalised the country's airline, Aerolineas Argentinas, nearly 20 years after it was privatised.

It is the latest major company to be renationalised in Argentina, after a wave of privatisation in the 1990s.

The Spanish group Marsans agreed to sell Aerolineas and its subsidiary Austral for an undisclosed sum.

Aerolineas now carries a debt of nearly $900m (£450m) and is losing money to the tune of about $1m a day.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 03:24:08 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Manned spaceship design unveiled

The first official image of a Russian-European manned spacecraft has been unveiled.

It is designed to replace the Soyuz vehicle currently in use by Russia and will allow Europe to participate directly in crew transportation.

The reusable ship was conceived to carry four people towards the Moon, rivalling the US Ares/Orion system.

Unlike previous crewed vehicles, it will use thrusters to make a soft landing when it returns to Earth.



Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 08:59:56 PM EST
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