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by Jerome a Paris
Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 10:21:34 AM EST


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The tension is winding up. CSC are leading the train heading for destiny at  L'Alpe-d'Huez.

Schleck has to attack, he knows that is his chance. Can Evans hold on?

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 10:58:11 AM EST
Hmm. I'm not saying.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:54:13 AM EST
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Well, I was out on my bike and I can tell you no other cyclist overtook me, only cars and motorbikes. Evans win!

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 03:58:45 PM EST
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He could hold on enough to make his victory almost certain after Saturday's time trials.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:51:59 PM EST
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I think Saturday will be very close. Menchov looks to have ridden his way out of any chance though.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:54:55 PM EST
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Close - between Sastre and Evans, or Sastre and Schleck?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:56:03 PM EST
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Evans, I dont think Schleck is a good enough time trialist to compete with Evans. Evans isn't really far enough back for it Normally to be a challenge, I'd reckon on Sastre needing in excess of 2 minutes to beat Evans over the time trial distance, but he has been steadily improving over the last few years, and going into the time trial in Yellow should be good for about 30 seconds (BOE). so it's all looking very close.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:03:46 PM EST
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Meta-comment: political advertisements on the asphalt are still "in" on the Tour. It was maybe last Monday's final when on the last kilometre, there were linke six dozen "ETA" drawings on the pavement. And when the Tour passed over Italy on a 2700m+ pass (was it this Monday?), there was "NON A LA LOUP" or something - locals who don't want wild wolves getting free television time.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:55:06 PM EST
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I noticed the signs in at least 3 stages in southern France and I have to think security forces must feel it's well under control, or they wouldn't take a chance?  The arrests at the leadership level in France and Spain seem to occur on a regular basis.

I couldn´t catch any other related words, so it may be a distraction?  

_Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena._

by metavision on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:37:44 PM EST
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The way I heard it, it's actually much worse: the ETA sings are there every year, and they are 'tolerated' so that ETA doesn't attack the Tour.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:51:12 PM EST
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Is drug taking still a big thing ? I always got the impression that, like sprinting in athletics, everybody's at it and so the best pharma wins. and the careless one gets busted.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:11:53 PM EST
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Now thats one of the big questions.  and any answer would lead to charges of Hopeless Nievete/lack of trust in the new generation of riders depending on your personal feelings.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:20:15 PM EST
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My counterintuitive view on this is that cycling used to be like that, but today, the last few years' scandals generated such oversight that most won't risk it (or even pull out in the middle of the Tour to not get caught). I.e. I think the present Tour's scandals show that at least on the Tour (the Tour is in battle with the Cycling Association) the system working, rather than failing (especially if I think of how Beltrán was caught: he must have thought he has a fair chance to not get netted if he doesn't finish first or gains the yellow jersey).

Thinking of other sports, I think the biggest scandal in cycling, Operación Puerto, is instructive. Of the 200 clients, only cyclists were identified. (Unfortunately in Spain, even the legal case against these foundered; I'd appreciate if one of our Spanish-speaking readers could find an article on its background.) But it is known that the majority of clients were NOT cyclists: there were unidentified top footballers and tennis players among them. Real Madrid and Barcelona were in suspicion. And one remembers how the big doping investigation into Italy's Serie A ended: without any results. (We only have anecdotal evidence like Arsène Wenger's secretive claim about Arsenal's doctors discovering evidence of heavy systematic doping in unidentified players imported from Mediterranean countries.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:31:49 PM EST
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It wouldn't surprise me in football at all. A couple of decades ago most footballers were normal sized or just a bit taller. In the 60s 6 feet 2 inches (1m 70?) was tall, now it's normal. That their physical size is getting noticeably larger in the last decade or so cannot be just the result of western diets.


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:53:46 PM EST
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? Aint' everyone getting bigger?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:57:30 PM EST
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BBC News | UK | Stand up for your height

As standards of living and nutrition have improved, the average Briton has got taller at the rate of three-quarters of an inch each generation.

The official Health of the Nation figures show that 30% of men aged under 25 are now over six feet tall. If the current trend continues, the average British man's height will be 6ft within a couple of generations and the average woman will be nudging 5ft 7in.



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 02:00:08 PM EST
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No. The Americans stopped getting taller a while ago. (I'm assuming that by "bigger" you were referring to height, not width...)
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 05:22:10 PM EST
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But that ties in to a lower socio-economic level for much of the American populace (lack of health benefits, little leisure time, malnutrition).
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 05:51:02 PM EST
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It is the result of selection at an early age - that used to be done on grounds of potential, now on potential and height.

I'm not saying substances are not also involved, though.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 04:03:06 PM EST
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i think the biggest spurt happened in japan, where in one generation sons grew a whole head taller than fathers.

it's got to be the added protein in a much meatier diet, but is bigger (taller) always healthier?

i wonder if upped cancer rates are a collateral effect of too much this.

improved nutrition has definitely had salutary effects too, don't get me wrong...

rickets can really spoil a future, just like the so-called 'diseases of civilisation', ie those that are not dependent on 3rd world sanitary or dietary disaster zones, but indeed flourish where there is a surplus of goods.

heart disease, diabetes, obesity etc, as opposed to yer malaria, tb, etc.

which, if i think about it, is a historical blip due to oil's concentrated energy. this led to bigger plants too, but again, does the fact that there is more food, or bigger plants, really signify more than short-term advantage?

there could be a metaphor for the whole paradigm embedded herein, it seems.

i even see it in italy. the old boy who sold me this property was in his eighties, about 5 ft tall, but he was spry and vigorous as a man half his age, wizened, sure, from a lifetime starting around 7 years old pulling weeds in the tobacco fields or something similar, signed the contract with an illiterate X, while his son who co-signed was overweight and had serious heart problems causing him to retire early, though he was quite a bit taller too, and could read and write.

in catapulting ourselves out of poverty, it seems like we zoomed right by the moderation station and right on out into the other extreme...

when i started vegetarianism in '69, the shock and horror from my parents' crowd was very strange to me, till i understood i was in some way betraying their concepts, even insulting them by my choices, even though that was ridiculous!

now of course, people are a lot more open and understanding about these things, but it sure was no pique-nique back then. talk about swimming against the current!

well worth it though...

"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 07:25:14 PM EST
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I remember reading that Longevity peaks at a height of around 6'4", above that blood preasure and heart attacks from the strain of pumping blood that extra altitude  knock life expectancy back spectacularly.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 07:48:10 PM EST
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I remember when I started going vegetarian, one of the standard comments, after a moment of reflection, would be:"Mmmhhh, I don't think that would be for me, I like to eat delicious food." :-) If they only knew!!!!

In general I find it frustrating at times, how little most people realise how much food affects their health. Even more disappointing that many people in the medical field also ingore it and some don't even want to know. About three years ago a medical student told me about his frustration about having to learn all that useless stuff like vitamines and minerals etc., because he wanted to become a REAL medical doctor. Or an gastroentrologist who told his patient with crohns disease that he can eat and dring what ever he likes, even alcohol, as food does not affect the intestines. :-(

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 01:55:13 AM EST
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major disconnect there, fran!

i hear the same response, who'd have thought grains, beans and veggies could fill you up, and leave you feeling light at the same time?

mt son-in-law has taken a shine to tempeh while visiting here, and now wants it all the time, my daughter tells me.

not surprised, as tempeh has a really subtle texture and taste, and so many peeps (outside indonesia) have never encountered it.

me, i lervs it, terminal yum-

"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:04:16 AM EST
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No, surprise there. :-) it is amazing how little children would pick healthy things if given the choice early on in live.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:18:42 AM EST
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so true. my daughter went to visit her g-parents in NY when she was two, after only eating fruit sugars up to then. when asked what her favourite dishes were, she said, 'broccoli and artichokes'!

her grandma was amazed that after two dates, she would say 'enough, that's so sweet'.

no antibiotics the whole childhood... any infections easily treated with simples.

"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:55:23 AM EST
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I have found in Google this:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operaci%C3%B3n_Puerto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operaci%C3%B3n_Puerto_doping_case
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2006/06/27/ciclismo/1151402208.html
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/ano/Operacion/Puerto/elpepudep/20070522elpepudep_17/Tes
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/caras/Operacion/Puerto/elpepudep/20070522elpepudep_18/Tes
http://www.cerodopaje.es/cerodopaje/noticias/pound-no-ve-creible-que-la-operacion-puerto-afecte-solo -al-ciclismo
http://www.cadenaser.com/articulo/deportes/Ciclismo/Operacion/Puerto/Informe/Guardia/Civil/Capitulo/ I/csrcsrpor/20060712csrcsrdep_8/Tes/
http://www.cadenaser.com/deportes/articulo/ciclismo-operacion-puerto-informe-guardia/sernot/20060712 csrcsrdep_9/Tes
http://www.cadenaser.com/articulo/deportes/Ciclismo/Operacion/Puerto/Informe/Guardia/Civil/Capitulo/ IV/csrcsrpor/20060714csrcsrdep_10/Tes/
http://www.esciclismo.com/ampliada.asp?Id=2952
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/puerto_complete
http://elmundodeporte.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2006/05/29/ciclismo/1148920297.html
http://olganza.com/2007/03/10/carpetazo-definitivo-a-la-polemica-%E2%80%98operacion-puerto%E2%80%99/
http://www.deia.com/es/impresa/2007/03/10/bizkaia/kirolak/345496.php
http://www.noticiasdegipuzkoa.com/ediciones/2007/03/10/deportes/ciclismo/d10cic72.507174.php
http://www.libertaddigital.com/index.php?action=desanoti&cpn=1276300966

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.
by PerCLupi on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 02:24:37 PM EST
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Thatnks, but unfortunately, I don't speak Spanish! (And I already read the English Wiki page - which only states the bare facts, without any speculation as to the why-s.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 02:37:16 PM EST
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Sorry. I misunderstand this: "I'd appreciate if one of our Spanish-speaking readers could find an article on its background." I'll try, but in English...

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.
by PerCLupi on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 03:32:33 PM EST
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OK, OK... I meant "find, read, and summarize in English" :-) (Germam or Hungarian will also do ;-) )

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 04:00:34 PM EST
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The Atlantic: Is Google Making Us Stupid?
Over the past few years I've had an uncomfortable sense that someone, or something, has been tinkering with my brain, remapping the neural circuitry, reprogramming the memory. My mind isn't going--so far as I can tell--but it's changing. I'm not thinking the way I used to think. I can feel it most strongly when I'm reading. Immersing myself in a book or a lengthy article used to be easy. My mind would get caught up in the narrative or the turns of the argument, and I'd spend hours strolling through long stretches of prose. That's rarely the case anymore. Now my concentration often starts to drift after two or three pages. I get fidgety, lose the thread, begin looking for something else to do. I feel as if I'm always dragging my wayward brain back to the text. The deep reading that used to come naturally has become a struggle.

I think I know what's going on. For more than a decade now, I've been spending a lot of time online, searching and surfing and sometimes adding to the great databases of the Internet.


The old medium is the message story applied to the internets. Been done many times, sure, but it is interesting to look at how it develops.

For me, personally, this is not how it works. I can still continuously read something, for many hours. It has just become hard to do that while I am online.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:13:56 AM EST
I've noticed many literary types making similar complaints yet, like you, I've not felt any loss of concentration.

I think that they are used to having little else to distract them in their life and so now that there are multiple distractions their previous behaviours don't work. Personally I've always had a bit of a gad-about butterfly mind and so, now that are other distractions, my ability to focus isn't compromised cos I'm already used to ignoring distractions from my own head.

Or something

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:49:04 AM EST
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I've always had a bit of a gad-about butterfly mind...

my ability to focus isn't compromised...

Or something

:-)

sined: a litterurry tipe

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:58:23 AM EST
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I find it hard to get immersed in a long text online. And, to concentrate on a book, yes, turn the computer off.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:52:47 AM EST
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I still have to print out long articles to read.  I have no problem concentrating when reading print.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:56:54 AM EST
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Yup.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:00:31 PM EST
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I can read long articles in PDF on screen - I'll use the slideshow setting in Preview (on mac) to display them full-screen with no distractions.

Reading long articles in web browsers is harder.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:10:49 PM EST
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Reading print is also still much better than reading online (all else equal). Computer monitors are still at about 1/3rd the resolution they would need.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:19:57 PM EST
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plus I'm always scared I'll drop the computer in the bath while i'm reading.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:41:29 PM EST
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But doesn't paper get soggy from the steam ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 04:36:30 PM EST
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I had always found that to be the case for myself, however, recently I have found myself able to benefit greatly from on-line books or documents which I do not have in my library and don't want to spend the money to acquire or spend the toner and paper to print out.  With many, the ability to magnify the print up to fill my monitor screen, along with the scroll wheel, has made the difference.  I guess an old dog can learn new tricks when necessity beckons.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer@yahoo.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:53:06 PM EST
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i hear that...

i find with books now that the light has to be just right, or there's too much glare off the white page, especially in strong sunlight or strong artificial light.

not to mention fonts... or cathode tube jitter on the old type monitors.

it's so wonderful to be able to adjust backlight, even the font itself, as some fit some moods...

what i find twitchy about the internet, is the hunger to be current, the news keeps surging off the screen as history accelerates, stay too long on one subject, another begs to be noted... as for long texts, yes, a lot easier with the computer off, or if the internet goes down, and i am reduced to catching up on some stuff i d/loaded and saved just for those occasions, like cold press pdf's fr'example. then it's easier, cuz you don't have the waiter distracting you from enjoying your dish, by teasing you to try this other site, or go back to ET and refresh the recent comments page....again...

i know, i'm nuts...

there's something obsessive about my clicking sometimes, like a chicken pecking corn..time rolls by, meals forgotten as the mental palate is educated and raised to ever more nuanced sources of stimulation.

at a certain point i have to push it away, it's overpowering otherwise!

i got a mac book pro, so to have fuller mobile recording facilities, and for simple reading, and blogging, it's heavy and hot.

how's that macbook air, colman? it sounds pretty attractive, i bet it digs less of a wedge in your belly too, tho' i was told it does its share of global warming, even with the flash drive.

"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:50:35 PM EST
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Didn't we demolish this already the other day?

I use the internet to read long texts, and I haven't stopped readong books in long sessions - I just do it less often.

If you took away the internet tomorrow I suppose we'd all revert to reading more, and longer. It's a matter of habit, not "being made stupid".

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:18:33 AM EST
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Ah, missed that.

Yeah, the title is dumb. But substitute 'mental routine' for 'habit' and refer to the alleged plasticity of the brain according to the author. I don't think the piece is all that wrong, apart from its negative characterisation of mental changes.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:39:54 AM EST
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Don't see much demolition, frankly. You say you read long texts online. OK. Doesn't mean everyone else finds it convenient. Colman says the complainers are those who were never able to read long works. That one makes me burst out laughing.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:09:32 AM EST
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Who's on holiday? Who's not?

I've never had a busier time here

... and yet I need to spend several hours tonight driving to Normandy and back to swap cars. As some of you know, we found our car with broken windows on the day of going on holiday, and the family ended up leaving using our neighbors' car. Now the car has been repaired, but the neighbors need to leave before the family comes back (and before I can go over there for a week-end),thus the need for a quick swap. You'll be happy that I've at least been able to find people to carry on the way and back, so at least I'm not driving alone.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:21:33 AM EST
Jerome's Evergreen taxi service!  In addition to all else.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer@yahoo.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:42:31 AM EST
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I've at least been able to find people to carry on the way and back

It's to be hoped you didn't coerce anybody into this... ;)

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:48:15 AM EST
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Who's on holiday?

<laughs hollowly>

I've never had a busier time here

Likewise.

Bob's recent photos of Paros are making us think that some cheap flights and a week on an island in early September would be a good idea ...

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:56:05 AM EST
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Me too! Usually July and August are slow months, but this summer there is not much slowing down.

However, I will be taking some time off end of August. :-)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 03:42:55 PM EST
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I'm off to WOMAD festival tomorrow (that's world of music and dance, folks, or lots and lots of 3rd world music). So will probably be offline after tonight till monday.

Have been running around today getting a new battery for my Land rover cos the old one ceased to be reliable, some days no problem, other days, dead. Then a mad search for over an hour to find my tent and remember how it goes up. Now I've got to pack, dive into tesco tomorrow for much beer.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:57:06 AM EST
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Have fun - mind how you go in the latrines ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:23:50 PM EST
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My good man, when was the last time you went to a festival ? They're all posh now, you even have paper in the loos (often), but carry your own in case.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:58:05 PM EST
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They do tend to be all posh, apart from the toilet facilities.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:11:05 PM EST
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I have only had experience of WOMAD and Cambridge in the last decade or so and it's all very middle class, middle aged and highly civilised.

I just can't imagine going to the shit-heaps I attended in my youth, especially now I've lost the piss-against-the fence equipment.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:15:07 PM EST
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I'm Jealous of the Thursday night, The On-U sound show, with Lee scratch Perry

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:39:46 PM EST
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I've never made any of the club events at WOMAD, largely cos I've never known where they were (this was very bad at Reading where some events seemed to take place on Platform 9 & 3/4). Last year the mud transcended curiosity.

It all depends how I feel after I've made all the trips from the car park to where my pitch will be. usually at that point food, beer, catching up with friends (we only meet at WOMAD these days so lot's of chat) and meeting the new little 'uns takes precedence.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 02:00:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well if you havent set out already, have fun.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:31:19 AM EST
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You forget that the Finns love to commune with nature. Posh lavs are for sissies <it says here> Even the girls bob down behind the bushes.

Alright. alright, I'm exaggerating slightly. But the fact is that Finns pay good money to go and live in their spartan weekend cottages with a PuuCee out the back. A PuuCee is a wooden shed with a bench and a hole in it, and a big bucket underneath. There's usually a smaller bucket containing moss, wood chips or sand that you throw on the pile when you are finished, to control odour. It gets emptied at the end of the summer . which is no job to do with a hangover, I can assure you.

On the whole (pun) the PuuCee offers communion with nature and the chance to meditate. 7 year old magazines and comic books are available for the crapping reader and it's OK to smoke.

I once used one that was installed in half a wooden boat on end. It was like a little chapel. I've also used one designed minimally by one of Finland's leading architects. At old country schools there used to be long sheds with benches and maybe 10 holes. Yes, it was a group activity.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 02:18:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
We had one of those out behind the house I grew up in.  In Oklahoma we call them outhouses.  My Dad lived in a house with no plumbing well into his seventies.  Finally some of his neighbors and I got together and built him a house, with plumbing, when he retired.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.
by budr on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 03:50:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Which reminds me, cos I'll be offline, my photo diaries will be delayed. It's unfair not to be around to respond.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:34:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The French wiki tells me:
En France, plusieurs sites de covoiturage existent, gratuits pour la plupart. Toutefois, ils souffrent tous d'une faible fréquentation, probablement à cause du grand nombre de sites existants. De plus, la plupart des sites de petites annonces gratuites proposent aussi une rubrique de covoiturage. D'ailleurs, certains sites de petites annonces locales disposent plus d'offres de covoiturage qu'un site spécialisé, pour un trajet identique.

Which is a shame. Of sorts. In Germany, the use of the internet for carsharing has become very big, especially through the site mitfahrtgelegenheit.de
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:03:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm not on holiday, not at all. And yesterday, I let myself be tricked.

The most common type of trickster in Budapest must be the guys who stop people in railway main stations, and claim that they were robbed upon arrival, and need money to travel home/pay the rent for a day/whatever. I must have waved off dozens before. But with this one, the appearance seemed to fit the story (poor guy from the countryside coming to work in the capital as a cook) and he had many details, so I saw a 50% chance that this guy is genuine... but he didn't appear to give my money back at 2pm today.

Whatever... I only lost the equivalent of €20 (about the price of the umbrella I also lost this week).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:18:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
well done dodo, it's better to make mistakes occasionally, and keep your soul...

"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:54:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
At least it isn't as embarrassing as what happened to someone I shared a train compartment with last year. He had been sold a train ticket on the platform in Milan at a discount by someone who couldn't use it, but it turned out only to be valid on a specific, earlier, train.

Imagine his embarassement: a Neapolitan ripped off by a German tourist...

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 05:53:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm enjoying my last month before my new job (this one actually decent). I need to put up an update diary on the Prague meet...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:19:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If I were to report all of the drivel that is written about Russia, I'd have no hours left in the day.  But really, this takes the cake.  It goes far above and beyond its anti-Russia fatwah duty.  Truly impressive.

Russian aggression towards Georgia fits the pattern of Germany's prewar tactics

From Prof Richard Pipes.

Sir, Peter J. Rooney (Letters, July 17) urges us to abandon the "insignificant statelet" of "tiny Georgia" to Russian aggression because its defence may lead to a military confrontation with Russia. This advice reminds me of Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain's willingness in the autumn of 1938 to sacrifice "tiny" Czechoslovakia to Nazi Germany because it was a "quarrel in a faraway country between people of whom we know nothing".

As it soon turned out, Germany's aggression against Czechoslovakia was a prelude to her invasion of Poland, which unleashed the second world war. Aggressive large powers tend to begin their expansion with "insignificant statelets" in order to test the world's reaction before going after bigger fish. I think Russia's behaviour toward Georgia fits this pattern. It should not be ignored.

Richard Pipes,
Cambridge, MA 02138, US

Hat tip to SRB.


"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:07:55 PM EST
He's the father of Daniel Pipes, what do you expect. Then again, talk of "insignificant statelets" blows my fuse, too.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:48:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh Pipes Sr. is a nut in his own right, to be sure.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 02:08:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Aggressive large powers tend to begin their expansion with "insignificant statelets" in order to test the world's reaction before going after bigger fish.

Such as invading Afghanistan, followed by an invasion of Iraq, followed by ... Iran?

Have epistemological model of Complex Information environments. Will Travel.

by ATinNM on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:48:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Don't forget Grenada.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:24:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Or Panama, Colombia, Chile, Venezuela, Lebanon, Bolivia, Argentina, Iran and Iraq the first time around, ...

- Jake

Your representatives may not listen to you. But they do read your e-mail.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:37:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Cuba I, Phillipines, Cuba II, El Salvador, ahhh, Feetnam?  Cambodia?

Native america?  the moon?  what's left?

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:26:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Mars, bitches!

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:46:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The trans-nats'll beat them there :-P

- Jake

Your representatives may not listen to you. But they do read your e-mail.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 11:39:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yesterday while wandering around Borders Bookshop I found a kids book entitled Let's Go Shopping...complete with a toy credit card in a slot in the front cover and a credit card reader 'machine'  inside that you slot the card into as you read through the book...
My mother thought it was a brilliant idea...
I thought it was scarey...

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde
by Sam on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:41:04 PM EST
They have Borders in Ireland?  Yikes.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 01:45:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Borders?

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 04:21:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Borders is a bookstore chain here in the states.

Have epistemological model of Complex Information environments. Will Travel.
by ATinNM on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:51:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
and here in the UK, judging by the torrent of emails they send me about the stores they have in the vicinty.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:29:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
<sigh>

Borders expanded into UK/Ireland, decided they didn't like it and sold the lot to some guy in the the UK and his backers who now run it as a franchise.

Good thing too: there are basically no half-decent bookshops in the suburbs here other than Borders other than little ones that sell school books and romance novels. Borders is a bloody delight by comparison.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:43:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I think my closest one is On the edge of Swansea, so 50 miles away.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:06:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Of course, and Barnes and Noble.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:21:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The last chapter is "How to apply for a subprime mortgage."

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 03:25:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
...!  I really don't envy new parents in this century, having to check through so much more information at every step.

_Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena._
by metavision on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 03:42:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Avedon Carol has a suggestion about FISA

I will still call my reps from time to time and ask why they voted for indefensible bills and against good ones, but if they tell me lies about how they were protecting me, I will routinely say, "But since everyone already knows that's a lie, what's the real reason?"

In fact, I think we should have a postcard campaign in which we write to our reps and say something similar. "Dear ___ ____, When I called your office and asked why you supported the FISA bill, I was told that we need it to protect us and the new version protects our civil liberties. Since everyone knows that this is a lie, please tell me the real reason you supported it." (Copy it to your nearest local and national papers.) They won't answer, but they should be told they're not fooling anyone



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 02:08:44 PM EST
 I was at a meeting with a representative from the Obama campaign the day after the FISA vote.  He showed up apparently under the impression he was on friendly territory, and was swiftly thrown to the wolves.  Yet, when asked why Obama voted for FISA, we didn't get "we need it to protect us and the new version protects our civil liberties."  I almost wish we had.  At least that would show they had enough balls to lie to us straight to our faces.  No, we got a run around amounting to, "this issue is far too complex for you to appreciate, so we're not going to even attempt to explain our rationale to you."  I can assure you that the people in that room had a far better understanding of the contents and consequences of bills than most representatives do.  It was so insulting.  I'd rather be lied to than taken for ignorant yahoos.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 02:18:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
wow, that is insulting.  

I don't want to be lied to OR taken as an ignorant yahoo.  I want a real answer to the questions and concerns I have about SPECIFIC portions of that bill.  If I can take the time to try to understand a piece of legislation they should take the time to come up with answers.  

But that's not the way it works.  Instead we are insulted and/or lied to.

by Maryb2004 on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 03:00:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
In your situation I might have been tempted to go on dKos and make a noise about being taken for a yahoo. You already have one president who shows you contempt, you don't need another. That guy needed firing cos he's not doing Obama any good with that attitude

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 05:30:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm afraid that, short of a violent coup, not much can be done about our options at this point.  Given the choice between a candidate who thinks I'm a yahoo and a candidate who is an actually yahoo, I chose the former.  Just to mix things up after 8 years of President Ignorant Yahoo.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 05:35:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I thought you liked Obama, being from Chicago and all that?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:07:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Reminds me of one of the events that started my own hard left turn. We'd set up a student's meeting and invited two political parties to send representatives. Well, the right-winger was a no-show, so they sent us some ignorant twit from their youth organisation, who hadn't even read up on the proposal he was supposed to be defending (and said as much - in so many words - at the start of the show).

Long story short, this dumbass is asked a pointed question or two about why the Fogh II regime wants to cut the stipends for students virtually in half and (almost) replace the cutbacks with "incentives programs" (which is, of course, newspeak for favouring the already privileged). This supercilious little bizniz school student replies something along the lines of "we're just moving a few commas, is it really something to get so worked up about?" and goes back to talking about something that wasn't on the agenda.

Colour me pissed off.

- Jake

Your representatives may not listen to you. But they do read your e-mail.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:13:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's just sad.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:07:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Clusterfuck Nation by Jim Kunstler

Written on Sunday July 20

   The comprehensive bankruptcy of the United States, at every level, in all corners, atop each hill and mole-hill, and down not a few rat-holes, is preceding like some kind of hideous multi-media, inter-dimensional cosmic grand opera as produced and directed by the Devil. Every week, some bizarre new subplot is introduced by the stage managers, each turn and twist geared to produce maximum pain and carnage in the US economy, as if to foreclose any possibility of redemption on the way down. Well, the absence of hope is, after all, the essential nature of Hell (setting aside, for the moment, J.P. Sartre's quaint notion that Hell is other people).

what made him exclude himself?

Clusterfuck Nation by Jim Kunstler

The howler of the week was the Securities and Exchange Commission's edict that Wall Street sportsters would be prohibited from trafficking in so-called "naked short" sales against a cherry-picked bunch of 19 banks and financial companies for the next two weeks. A cute trick, naked shorting is done by pretending to borrow a bunch of stocks, pretending to sell them high just before the share-price falls, pretending to buy them back at a lower price when the share price has fallen, and then pretending to return exactly the same number of lower-priced shares to the lender, pocketing the difference. Real shorting is cute enough, and involves "clearing" the sales -- i.e. proving that real stocks were really lent and really returned. Shorting is helped along by generating rumors that a given company is in trouble, thus nudging share prices down. This works really well when a company already is known to be struggling, as many now are. In fact, it usually works best when a struggle turns into a feeding-frenzy -- as when a bleeding mullet attracts the swarming sharks. When this scam is run using odd-lots of millions and tens-of-millions of shares sharked up at many dollars each, the profits to be made in this sport is obviously huge.
     With naked shorting, however, the stocks being shorted are basically non-existent, imaginary, made-up, fictional, registered only as pixels in a program. It's a racket, pure and simple, run by both the supposed borrower of the stocks and the supposed lender and, more to the point, was wholly and absolutely against the law before the SEC declared a selective holiday from it last week. So, what the SEC action really demonstrates is the utter lawlessness reigning on Wall Street, and the SEC's singular unfitness as an enforcer of the laws, not to mention the criminal irresponsibility of the clearing authorities who only pretend to go through the motions of certifying the sales. What's more, the companies cherry-picked for immunity against shorting were some of the very companies believed to be most active in profiting off naked short sales against other companies.
     Thus, the credibility of all the authorities in American finance, including the Secretary of the Treasury, Mr. Paulson, the head of the Federal Reserve, Mr. Bernanke, the director of the SEC, Mr. Cox, takes on the aroma of week-old dead carp, while the affairs of American banking and business as a general proposition look to the rest of the world like a simple looting operation, reflecting poorly on the paper certificates that we use as "money" in the land of the free.

better stop now... there's more there...

"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 02:57:21 PM EST
Here is other comment on the same development:
Short selling can be confusing if you try to approach the issue from the perspective of how it works, rather than the much easier to understand concept of what it does. Most people have heard of the multi-millennium old trading maxim advising one to "buy low and sell high". All short selling does is reverse the order of this operation, you sell high to begin the trade, and buy low to close it... [In] the case of big orders from aggressive traders like banks and hedge funds, in less heavily traded securities, short selling can, and frequently does, move prices significantly down...

[The] complicated part of short selling, of selling something that you don't own, is, of course, that you are selling something you don't own. [The] way that the finance profession has found a way off this endless Mobius Strip of illogic is to have the short seller go through a sort of public decency boogie that involves having him initiate a fig leaf process that is called "borrowing" from an actual owner and for a small fee the shares that he wants to sell short.

[In] and of itself, selling short without the cover of borrowing the stock from a registered owner, otherwise known as naked shorting, was, at least until last week, not unlawful. To meet the legal definition of unlawful market manipulation you had to be guilty of naked shorting and have had a seriously material negative impact on the stock price. Taken together, the two requirements had provided a very comfortable blanket of legal security for the short sellers.

[After] speculators essentially ran Bear Stearns out of town in March, [no one] wanted to go through that again, not with the presumed next target in the speculator's sniper scopes, Lehman Brothers, certainly not with the much larger Fannie and Freddie. After Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke weighed in [to] convince the markets that the two were still sound, SEC chairman Cox made his contribution; much in the spirit of The Godfather's Don Corleone, he made the shorts an offer they could not refuse. [Following] his announcement on July 15, it is now illegal for a limited but extendable period to naked short sell Fannie and Freddie, along with another 17 of the nation's largest investment and commercial banks such as JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, even such foreign houses such as Deutsche Bank and Allianz of Germany, Daiwa of Japan, and UBS and Credit Suisse of Switzerland.

[For] the iconoclastic entrepreneurial finance mavericks of Wall Street, government intervention in their business operations was always something to be loathed and decried... "[How] dare you make us obey the same type of laws that other businesses regularly have to follow... [That] will make us inefficient, and we'll never be able to compete!" But it seems to be a different story when the government regulations involved are not a burden that the banks must bear, but a burden the rest of the society must carry for the benefit of the banks. [Executives] from banks and financial institutions not among the chosen 19 complained that, with a legal fortress now erected around the share prices of the big fish, the attention of the ravenous shorts would invariably turn to the smaller guppies in the pond. These too were desirous of that now-blessed warm security blanket of protection of their pay packages from the shorts.

Also, in the only real type of dispute that the US government really cares about these days, that of old money versus new money, executives at market-making and hedge-fund firms (these would be new money) howled that, since naked short selling was such a central part of their trading operations, they should be exempted from the new regulations. Like a corrupt medieval pope selling indulgences so sinners could enter Heaven, Cox quickly agreed.

[Proving] that, indeed, the government can make as much wealth as the private sector can destroy, the new SEC rules have ignited a massive rally in the US financial sector. From their lows last Tuesday (July 15) before the regulations were announced to Monday's close, the BIX index is up 38%, but among the blessed 19, the results are even more dramatic. The share price of Bank of America is up 55% over that period; Fannie and Freddie have really hit the jackpot, up 107 and 124%, respectively.

by das monde on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:04:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Ah, and the "doom porn descriptor" would be ((*doom Kunstler)) without the asterisk, for [Kunstler's Crystal Ball of Doom™ Technology]

Kunstler:

It's a racket, pure and simple, run by both the supposed borrower of the stocks and the supposed lender and, more to the point, was wholly and absolutely against the law before the SEC declared a selective holiday from it last week.
The other dude:
[In] and of itself, selling short without the cover of borrowing the stock from a registered owner, otherwise known as naked shorting, was, at least until last week, not unlawful.
Ho Hum.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:11:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
M of A - Anchoring

'As the Bush administration proposes backstopping mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac with a $300 billion line of credit and Congress contemplates another economic stimulus, the question is who will bail out the government?

"People seem to think the government has money," said former U.S. Comptroller General David Walker. "The government doesn't have any money."

A rare consensus has developed across the political spectrum that the government's own fiscal affairs are precarious, with an astonishing $53 trillion in long-term liabilities, according to the Government Accountability Office.

To put that number in human terms, the debt has reached $455,000 per U.S. household. As that debt grows, the United States increasingly relies on foreigners, including China and Middle East oil producers, for financing.

"The factors that contributed to our mortgage-based subprime crisis exist with regard to our federal government's finances," said Walker, now head of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation, a group established to raise alarms about the nation's budget. "The difference is that the magnitude of the federal government's financial situation is at least 25 times greater."

--

So what we have is again a pay-it-backward loan against our future, and again, a
huge transfer of public-wealth-to-private-coffers, after all, the gravey train of
public-to-private grift hasn't stopped since Dick Cheney started his 'little war'.

But back to the 'anchor'...

With mortgages now guaranteed by a Federal government borrowing against our future,
if indeed Congress is so prurient as to gift our blood to the vampiroyals of usury,
can you imagine the looming food-energy-housing neutron bomb that it will create?

bernard's burning out...

send him some love

"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 03:11:10 PM EST
"People seem to think the government has money," said former U.S. Comptroller General David Walker. "The government doesn't have any money."
The government can create money at will and then tax it out of existence. That's why it's called fiat money (as in "fiat lux" - let there be light :-)

The problem is to avoid hyperinflation.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:25:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
and riots in the street...

or this

"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:31:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I woke up today wondering why the whole city smelled like a combination of oil and the usual garbage/sewage cocktail.  400,000 gallons apparently spilled into the Mississippi last night.

Lovely city, I hear tell.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (