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by In Wales
Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 10:26:57 AM EST

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I am starting another summeryoga class tonight. Meaning for five evenings in a row the same people are coming to the class. Well, it will be a yogaweek, but no summeryoga - as summer somehow got lost somewhere. It's raining and very cool.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 11:02:01 AM EST
Sounds good. Have they done yoga before or do you get a mix of levels?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 11:27:15 AM EST
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yes, they are all regular students, though from different classes - but the summeryoga week has usually a specific focus.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 11:30:17 AM EST
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Yes, our summer has been observed mainly in the breach. The weather map shows a long parade of clouds heading up our way.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 11:52:26 AM EST
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Met Office: UK: severe weather warnings
Wed 13th: There is a moderate risk of a severe weather event affecting parts of southern England during the day. There is the potential for west to southwest winds to gust to 60 mph in exposed spots, mainly in coastal areas.

[sigh...]

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 02:34:02 PM EST
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I'll believe it when I see it. We've been promised heavy rain on several occasions over the the last 2 weeks and seen barely a drop. I know know those weather maps on the BBC seem awfully convincing, but if in grubby reality those clouds don't make rain, I'd say thems wuz lyin'.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 02:39:41 PM EST
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We had the torrential rain here. You wuz lucky.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 02:42:34 PM EST
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Helen:
We've been promised heavy rain on several occasions over the the last 2 weeks and seen barely a drop.

That's because all the rain ended up in Scotland....

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 02:42:39 PM EST
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Hah. We got 76mm or so over two days. Flash floods and all sorts of fun.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 03:10:53 PM EST
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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde
by Sam on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:11:48 PM EST
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Yoikers !!

I hope that was somewhere not near your home

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 06:34:22 PM EST
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Nah, we live on high ground above a canal in a deep cutting. Chaos elsewhere though.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 06:58:21 PM EST
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Well, I should have stayed in Dublin to see that! Where was it?

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 06:56:42 PM EST
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Mostly northside and west. The dart was closed near howth for a landslide. Riding on Sunday was a splashy experience.  
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 07:01:38 PM EST
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well barring the odd day of heavy rain, that has been more than enough to cripple my murdochvision on several occasions. and has been more than enough to have people round me saying how this was proof that global warming had peaked. I'm waiting for the weeks of sun when everyones kids are back at school.
I know know those weather maps on the BBC seem awfully convincing, but if in grubby reality those clouds don't make rain, I'd say thems wuz lyin'.

My father spent his national service as a meteorolgist for the RAF, and so the one piece of TV he does absolutely sit to watch every day is the weather forecast. He is utterly convinced that ever since the Michael Fish Hurricane incident of the mid 80's that the BBC has been forcasting the weather worse than the  underlying data suggests. After all no one complains if the forcaster gets the weather wrong and it turns out better than forcast.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Aug 12th, 2008 at 04:52:09 AM EST
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Interesting, but eurotrib just exploded on my laptop. I'm on another computer now sorting out another problem I began to experience with it, but I hope all is well.


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 11:53:42 AM EST
Jeremy Seabrook: The poor: a future foretold | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
Labour's disdain has its antecedents in Victorian, Elizabethan and even medieval strategies for controlling the 'worthless poor'

It is astonishing how much contemporary political debate is rooted in historical precedent. Efforts to control the poor, as well as the movement and rewards of labour, are intertwined, and of considerable antiquity in Britain. Disapproval of "demands" for higher wages and prohibitions upon "economic migrants" long pre-date the industrial era.

Who would have thought that current efforts by a Labour government to get people off invalidity benefit and into work were yet another re-working of the first law enacted in Britain to distinguish between those who chose to "beg in idleness rather than earn their bread in labour"? This was the Statute of Labourers of 1351. Leaving aside the advisability of government taking inspiration from the medieval world, the statute followed severe reductions in population as a result of the black death. It was designed to curb wage-inflation induced by a shortage of labourers, who had deserted the fair fields of the land for the sweeter pastures of the afterlife.

Interesting historical view of attitudes to the poor in England and how the language of then gives us the demagoguery of now.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 12:13:09 PM EST
I found the argument unpersuasive. I just thought that each generation invents its own language to justify a lack of charity. After all, there is a jump from Attlee to Thatcher where such attitudes went into retreat.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 12:19:12 PM EST
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I think it has everything to do with greed and power.  Someone who has the power to choose between retaining wealth or giving it to others (others who have typically contributed greatly or entirely to its "creation") demonstrates inherent greed when they find excuses to retain that wealth for themselves.  

The path of greed is a great way to increase personal wealth in the short-term but demonstrably poor in the longer term.  The Henry Ford position (pay your workers enough to buy your product and the money will come back to you exponentially) is decidedly more appropriate for a capitalist system.

We must work to detach the concept of greed from the concept of "capitalism" which is a term in desperate need of re-branding.  How ironic that the commie bastards on the left will enjoy the privilege of that re-branding.

by paving on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 03:13:26 PM EST
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Well, you can add me to the list of iPhone commenters. That should suffice to destroy any cachet it had!
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 12:59:10 PM EST
Buncha champagne liberals up in here.

/snark

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 01:17:37 PM EST
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So what's your excuse?  Don't you live near the Valley, where they required by law or something?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 01:19:40 PM EST
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Please. My portable toys bring real authenticity, not that faux authenticity that apple products provide. I'm above that crap.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 01:25:48 PM EST
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Meh. How cool can something be if it has no windmill, hand crank, or PV power?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 02:27:43 PM EST
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We prefer to be known as "Champagne Socialists" over here.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 01:25:49 PM EST
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According to Jerome, I believe the new preference is "Soviet sympathizers."

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 01:27:24 PM EST
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"Soviet apologists."

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 01:29:08 PM EST
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Oh, right.

Anyway, it's nice to be spending a workday at my desk for once. My internet snark productivity is way down over the past month.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 01:30:42 PM EST
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Champagne liberals?  I've never heard that one.  Limousine liberals, yes, but not champagne liberals.

Am I still one if I don't like champagne?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 01:31:54 PM EST
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Boris Johnson, who is the new London mayor is the Tory with the most senior position in the UK. Consequently a lot of people are curious to see how he governs for clues as to how David Cameron's government would actually behave.

So Boris' decision to axe a £10,000 grant to "Soho Pride" may garner interesting reaction. Especially given the rather negative response to his rambling speech at London Pride that many suggested barely avoided being homophobic.

Now, to be honest a ten grand grant here or there, seeing as he's cutting grants to communities all over the place may not seem like a big deal. But the gay community are taking this personally and, interestingly, it will be young heteros who notice it most. Y'see Soho Pride, more than London Pride, is a youngsters festival and these youngsters have a lot of straight friends these days (as I complained about of Brighton Pride).

And it's the youngsters who, never knowing the awfulness of Britain under the tories, who will get a wet fish in the face from this about what life will be like under the tories when they realise that, actually, the tories are just a little bit homophobic.

Boris hasn't made an obvious mistake yet, although you know one is coming. But it may be a series of small similar miscalculations about what people value that may begin to take the shine off Cameron's credibility.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 01:55:43 PM EST
Amongst the under-30 set it's not about liking or relating to the gay population but rather the inherent sense of injustice that is involved in denying them.  The gay rights fight is over and the Boris' of the world appear as relics through young eyes.
by paving on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 03:16:50 PM EST
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What are the demographics on London as far as age goes?  Young, old?  I'd guess relatively young compared with the rest of England, given the jobs market.  Probably a very dumb move on Johnson's part pissing off the kids.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 03:19:06 PM EST
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The ignorance of statistics over at the Orange Place amazes me sometimes.  Trying to explain why error in one crosstab doesn't imply that the poll is wrong because of errors likely to have come up in other crosstabs never seems to work.

As it is, they're right for a change to be skeptical, simply because SUSA, which does brilliant polling in the North and other areas, doesn't know how to poll southern states, tending to always undercount black turnout and the Democrat's share of the black vote (which is why Obama always won by much wider margins in the South than the polling suggested he would from SUSA, while PPP often caught it).  Likewise, PPP sucks at polling northern states, but they're brilliant on southern states.

But still.  Americans should really be forced to take stats in grade school, in my opinion.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 02:29:19 PM EST
You shouldn't take them so seriously. Orange is good at some stuff, but detail ain't their forte.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 02:42:02 PM EST
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The funny bit is that they'll, of course, flip out over Obama being down one point in a poll with a 3.9-point MoE from a firm that just isn't very talented at polling southern states.  I read the poll and thought, "Shit, if this is what SUSA has, we've got Virginia and just need to seal the deal."

Still, just a little competence with polling data over there would be much appreciated, but, eh, s'pose ya can't have it all.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 02:48:32 PM EST
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we've got Virginia and just need to seal the deal.

Well I'll be trying - It looks like I'm going to Virginia for a week starting Friday. Though I have to say, for all the talk about Obama's great organization, they suck here in NYC. Sure, it's not worth campaigning, but there's a huge numbers of supporters interested in volunteering, yet they don't have anybody trying to coordinate that. All they have here is a fundraising office.

In this case a longtime volunteer who knows the VA state director simply asked if she'd want her to take a few people down - i.e. this is taking a shortcut through the (non-existent) formal channels. She's getting her people by simply asking folks she's met on other volunteering gigs. The things I've been on in PA - same deal. The former volunteer coordinator for Edwards in NYC started rounding up ex-Edwards volunteers and got in touch with the PA folks.

by MarekNYC on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 03:01:08 PM EST
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Whereabouts are you headed in VA?

I honestly think the fundamentals I see in the polling suggest an Obama win of about two points in Virginia.  Could be a five-point win, could be a two-point loss, but that's not a bad range to be in as a Dem.  I think Warner can probably help to drag him across the finish line, too, along with his organizational advantage.  The organization in Virginia is allegedly phenomenal, and McCain's got nothing worth speaking of.

Black turnout is another obvious factor that can play a huge role in Virginia, and, really, you have to see it to believe it (and you probably have in Penn).  I expected this would be The Cause Of A Lifetime for black folks, and so far I think I'm right.  I think we're going to see something very special on election night when Norah O'Donnell starts reading those exit polls off to us.  Especially in the South, where there are so many black folks.

I don't expect McCain to do much better than 5% of blacks.  That might even be generous to him.  And, if you account for that in the VA polling, you've got Obama at about 50%.  Game over.

I think he's going to do a tad better among whites in VA, too.  Probably somewhere between 39% and 40%.  41% is the max.  37% is the min.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 03:09:51 PM EST
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Laugh?  Cry?  I don't know what to do.  But welcome to war in the 21st Century:

Apparently a lot of Georgian government websites are down due to denial of service attacks.  So, uhm, they oppened up Blogger.com accounts!

Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Georgia

LOL!  There is no appropriate response to this.  War is not funny!  This is no laughing matter!  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 02:54:34 PM EST
Although in fact there's been next to no real news from Georgia today. Supposedly the Russians are - somewhere - and Saak has run away. Possibly. But that's all anyone seems to know.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 07:41:31 PM EST
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Well, no news is (hopefully) good news, because it's as though the God-damned Cold War is back in full swing over here.  The neocons are all demanding that we use our military to support Georgia.  Apparently not content with destroying Iraq, they're shooting for the entire planet now.

Nuclear Winter: The Bush Answer to Climate Change.


Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 11:23:58 PM EST
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it's been interesting to note the difference in tone between the Iraq reporting and the Georgia reporting, having been busy I've only caught a bit, apparently reporters have suddenly realised that ariel bombing causes civilian casualties. We've seen reporters discussing the aracan of overpressure effects smashing trees, and the similar effects this will on women and children.  If i get time later today I may go hunting for youtube videos for a compare and contrast diary.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Aug 12th, 2008 at 05:02:58 AM EST
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Am I the only one who finds that ET is loading very slow and often times out?

It could be the transatlantic connection - for the past three days internet has been a tat slow at this side of the globe. Yet other pages are nowhere as slow as loading this site.

by Nomad on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 03:45:10 PM EST
What's your browser?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 03:49:57 PM EST
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Mozilla Firefox, second version.
by Nomad on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:05:20 PM EST
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That's what I'm running, and I have no problems with ET.

But Fran has problems using Firefox, so does Crazy Horse and I think melo too.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:34:24 PM EST
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I have Ff2, and no problems here.

Ff2 hangs regularly on dKos for some reason, with a 110% (sic) processor spike, but it's always been fine on ET.

But I do have AdBlock set to vapourise, which might - or might not - make a difference.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:03:11 PM EST
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I'm running Adblock too, and NoScript.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:05:59 PM EST
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Since I managed to post my comment in the evening thread, I don't seem to have any more hiccups.

Perhaps it's the Touch of Glomp that did it.

by Nomad on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:12:13 PM EST
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My ego says: I am currently wearing "Eau de Night Grocer number 5", that must have had some impact.

ps: Hi Nomad!!

by glomp on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:18:19 PM EST
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that smell must be all the Coco at the nights grocer,  very temptingè!:-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:23:38 PM EST
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You *smell * good! </obscure computer game references>

*waves maniacally to best of ability *

Good having you around again. It's like the door opening of a cafe and a friend of long ago striding in. Also I've wondered a lot how you have been mentally coping now Sarkozy is president.

by Nomad on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:32:09 PM EST
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What, Sarkozy's president? Oh shit.

<glomp>

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:38:08 PM EST
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Welcome back, glomp!

It´s nice to see people come back and I miss a bunch of others:  you all know who you are.

dvx!!!!

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 06:18:26 PM EST
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aargh....just had sat net connected, supposed to give me 256k while the cheque clears, then any day now up to 1mps....

the first few days were exhilarating, at one point i had about 15 utoob vids downloading, trying not to get too drunk on the speed, i did a test and was getting c. 240k, racing around the net like jeremy clarkson on steroids...

then mysteriously over the weekend the speed dropped to c. 140, then slower still, now it's debatable whether it's even as fast as 56k dialup!

then ET started disappearing comments on me, in firefox or safari...

now the speedtest site won't even draw....

glug, glug...

time for some carrier pigeons!

is it italy, the olympics, telluric gravitational field, so many unemployed in the internet cafes, the sat connection, the isp, colman tweaking?

summer holidays? server overheat?

if it weren't for all those conchords videos making me so happy, i'd be heading down to the sat company office to ask for my money back.

i emailed them and got a autobot reply saying they're on vacation.

no i don't suffer from an internet-deprivation complex...

i just feel everyone has biros and i'm tapping granite with a blunt chisel...

but i don't do self-pity, so...

aaaarghhh! fantasies of doing deep neck massage on whoever's responsible for crappy expensive hyped internet connection!

no, i'm not attached...

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:32:51 PM EST
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time for some carrier pigeons!

RFC 1149

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt

A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers

or RFC 2549?

RFC 2549 - IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service. D. Waitzman.

IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service



Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Aug 12th, 2008 at 05:08:27 AM EST
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No matter what i do, including just waiting, Firefox still hangs often on ET only, while at the same moment no prob at all with Safari.  Tested again tonight, was able to get to the home page and one OT, then nothing but hanging for minutes on end.  command-. stopped it, then couldn't go anywhere, just sat and spun.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:44:53 PM EST
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No, me too. In the middle of setting up the Salon I had to switch from firefox to IE. On IE ET works fine for me.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 03:54:05 PM EST
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That would almost be a solution... if it wasn't for the fact that I've exorcised Explorer out of my life.

If I ever get a new laptop, Windows will be next. Oh woe. Those damnable life questions: to Mac or to not Mac is creeping dangerously near.

by Nomad on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:11:31 PM EST
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unless you're a linux geek, get a mac...you can always do boot camp and play with bill if you want.

and move to linux when you get tired of your processor working on eye candy.

not there yet...

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:35:21 PM EST
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I've noticed that I get good responses till I go to the Guardian, which is running dog-slow, and that cacks up everything till I shut down IE and re-start and avoid the Guardian.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:19:02 PM EST
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Hilarious.  I'm lovin' the mocking of St John.  I almost wish Hillary was around to lend a hand, since she's pretty good at this stuff.

More, please.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 03:55:23 PM EST
Gah!!!

I have a family of neo-cons.  And I'm on their e-mail list.  So of course, I'm getting the "Russia is invading Georgia!  It's Hitler and Czechoslovakia all over again!" e-mails.  I was going to stay out of it.  Then I decided I am obligated to inform and educate.  So I sent out this gigantic reply e-mail, with a plethora of resources & links, from all corners of the political sphere and was trying to be very earnest and polite and objective and everything.  Those who have responded are CONVINCED of the following, regardless what you tell them: 1) Russians are hell bent on world domination.  2) Putin is just like Hitler.  3) Only NATO can save us.  4) Because the UN has not saved Georgia, it should be dismantled.  5) No really, we ave to have NATO because Russia wants to invade us next.

I really really really want to believe the best of people, and that if they just have the information, they will use it, and make informed decisions.  But what do you do when people simply refuse to see what's right in front of them?  

I saw, Aleksandra yesterday.  What a effing weekend for that movie to open here!  A Russian "anti-war" film.  But I'd say it was the least pedantic "anti-war" film I've ever seen, with no scenes of atrocities, no overt judgements passed on anyone.  Maybe more pro-humanity that anti-war.  Well done.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:32:54 PM EST
Gah seconded!

I've been tranquillement living my life these past few months, what with a change of rythm (no more working every day of the week, I ended my contract at the high school) ... Eurotrib was still there in my memories, but my new life had just got the better of me (4 nights a week at the night grocery => completely out-of-synch socially).

Until tonight. Tonight I thought I'd check on this "conflict in Georgia" which I had been conveniently avoiding. I checked the usual news channels, but couldn't quite seem to get a wide picture. So what did I think ok? "Aha, let's have a look at Eurotrib, they'll certainly have a wider picture". And bang, I landed on one of Jérôme's entries. Very satisfying, information-wise.

Ok so I'm back, let's hope it lasts! ;)
ex Alex in Toulouse now Glomp

by glomp on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:40:50 PM EST
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you were missed here on ET. Hope you will stay around for a while. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:43:19 PM EST
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Hello Fran!

Staying around for a while is my new motto.

It's just that my new rythm of working 4 nights a week has humbled me! Working nights requires discipline (to go to sleep early after work, to get up early, to avoid drinking in bright sunlight before going to work, etc), and discipline is something I rather lack. No wonder I've been unable to motivate myself for a Eurotrib comeback.

But I've now had this new rythm for several months now, and I'm beginning to show signs of discipline ... a comeback to contribute on ET would be the next logical step!

Good to see you're around, Fran.

by glomp on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:47:00 PM EST
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You new motto sounds good.

Ah, I know, I know - it's always the same with discipline.

Btw. just so you know, there is going to be a Paris meetup on the weekend of the 19 September - looks like lots of people are coming. So if you want to join us, please do! :-)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:52:28 PM EST
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Argh! I'll be cashing in hours at the shop in September, because I'm planning a month holiday/overhaul in Sri Lanka in November.

I will go with a camera, and I must diary it here on ET.

ps: I haven't been to Paris in over a year (I used to go several times a year when I was, umm, well, umm, unemployed)

by glomp on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:59:46 PM EST
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Yay!  Alex is back!  

I've missed you!

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:44:02 PM EST
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Hey poemless!!!! Missed you too!

I've grown up a bit (but not that much) these past few months, it'll be fun to see where everyone is at too!!!!!!

by glomp on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:51:45 PM EST
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Glomp !! (Alex) It's wonderful to see you again.

What's the reason for the name change ? I had a good excuse, what's yours ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:45:10 PM EST
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Yeloufta! Hi Helen, good to see you're around!!!

At the time of the name change (before my ET exile), it had something to do with my online blog. I didn't want any "unknown outsiders" to know too much about me through my blog, so I had to create some anonymity on the net, and that of course included ET.

by glomp on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:49:38 PM EST
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Hey I thought you'd gone to the moon!

You've got to stick around here, it ain't the same without you!

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:51:02 PM EST
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Ahhhhhhhfeeeeew!!!!

Hey man!!!

Ok sorry, I've developed a habit of saying "yo dude", "hey man", "yo nigger" etc (translated from original french, in reality it's more like "ciao mec" etc).

Since working more nights at the grocery shop and mixing with so many "disillusioned" french youths eager to get drunk, but it really means "hey afew!!!".

Hey afew!!!

I HAVE been to the moon, and you know what? ... it's not as interesting as they say. I'd rather get a good look at the moon from Earth than from its surface, just like I'd rather get a good look at the city of Carcassonne from above than elbow past crowds of tourists from within.

Hey afew!!! Wouuuuhou!!

by glomp on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:56:40 PM EST
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Wooohooohooowooohoo back!

Really Good to see you!

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:01:47 PM EST
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So what did I miss?

Anyone have (new) kids? Marriages? Any expatriations to and fro?

by glomp on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:06:33 PM EST
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Welcome back.

Meet Christopher:


by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:15:23 PM EST
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Holy madonna, it's been that long!

Welcome aboard, Christopher! And may ye let yer daddy and mommy sleep a bit now.

by glomp on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:19:55 PM EST
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He's got a mischievous streak...sleep...that's something other babies do during the day...this one goes to ET meetups...

(Heading to the teeny Dublin meet-up a few weeks ago)

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde
by Sam on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:35:40 PM EST
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I'm still in South Africa. Redstar gave up on the USA and is back in France. Helen is experimenting with property in Bulgaria. Migeru and Barbara got married last summer. Jerome says he doesn't know what to write about any more and then writes bona fide analyses.

Would that be the current state of affairs?

by Nomad on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:40:49 PM EST
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welcome back, alex!

it's been far too sane without you.

what next, rg?

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:10:37 PM EST
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Fratelli d'Italia!

Forza Vegetariana!!!!!

by glomp on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:17:07 PM EST
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woodfired tofu pizza!

soy-vachement bon

it'd be great if there was a yearly blog reunion of all the characters who've paraded through the ET annals.

i miss so many of them

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 05:44:59 PM EST
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We missed ya!

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 06:53:12 PM EST
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Welcome home, man! Nice to see you around...

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 06:54:38 PM EST
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it is very good to see you back here, alex.  you were part of EuroTrib's life and soul.

(which was immediately apparent even though i only joined shortly before you started your mad work schedule.)

Cynicism is intellectual treason.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 07:41:00 PM EST
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That's impossible.  Germany didn't invade Georgia, so how could Putin be involved? ;)

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 06:52:20 PM EST
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